Tuesday, January 06, 2015
That is exactly the relationship my college has with a nearby Wannabe Flagship. However, although it is mutually beneficial, it is not a solution to the problem you describe: " many students leave earlier and hurt our “performance” numbers even as they succeed at the next level. " In fact, it makes this problem worse for us! It is a huge win for them, because (1) this group is not in their IPEDS graduation data set and (2) the initial rejection of this cohort makes them more selective while (3) they still get three and a half plus ?? years of tuition from them.
The students who are, if you like, the nearest miss, can prove themselves after one semester and move on. (Must look horrid for us on the standard benchmarks.) I've seen evidence at advising that they can get a second chance, with some additional benchmarks, if they come up short in the first semester.
What do you think the odds are that we flag this cohort and track their success? Yep, zero. But they do show up when IR obtains data on successfull transfer before the AA to add to the ones that actually graduate.
This farm system idea of being associated in some with both institutions may also be a way to help "wanting-engineering" students to obtain the 2nd-year courses that they seem to be lacking if they come to Compass Point State after 2 years at our nearby CC. For some reason it seems challenging to take courses at both Compass State and LocalCC simultaneously, though doing so would help a lot with satisfying missing prereqs.
There are two limits that affect the students at my CC:
1) The engineering school will not allow students to dual enroll, taking (say) the third semester of calculus at the CC and engineering mechanics at the university. They say that full transfer is required by their accreditation review, but it is unclear to me why they allow transient classes (after one semester in good standing) but won't let our best students take the same set of classes at a mix of institutions.
2) Many (most?) of our students start out way behind in math, so few are at the point where they have the necessary grounding in calculus and first semester physics that would allow them to take an engineering class before finishing the AA. Quite a few are past 60 credits and/or the AA before taking physics.
Does the farm team setup address the issue of acknowledging that community colleges might be better at some things than universities. During senate and governors' meetings, every senior admin waxes poetic about how our uni is the greatest thing in the world at absolutely everything it does. Can a snooty comprehensive university (SCU) make such an arrangement voluntarily without damaging that image?
On the flip side, how do community colleges feel about picking up the rejected students from SCU and improving their skills? There are a lot of positive angles to that, but there's also the angle of playing second fiddle to SCU. Does the second fiddle angle become a hindrance to community colleges engaging in these kinds of arrangements?
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